Warren Smith, a high school teacher and YouTuber renowned for his channel dedicated to critical thinking, recently spoke to a woke reporter who argued that “you can’t be racist against White people.”
Smith shared the encounter that left the reporter frazzled while she delivered an endless word salad before she ultimately bailed on the debate.
Reporter: I’m just gonna say this, and you can debate it. You can’t be racist against White people. You can be prejudiced against white people. Racism implies a power imbalance.
Smith: Where’d you learn that?
Reporter: That’s just how it is.
Smith: There’s no way to arrive to that. You just say, “It’s just how it is.” That is.
Reporter: I’m sorry.
Smith: So would people say, “Well, black people have to use separate water fountains because that’s just how it is. I’m sorry.”
Reporter: If that’s how you want to take it, that’s how you want to take it.
Smith: You don’t think you can advance any more on that?
Reporter: I really don’t want to.
Smith breaks from the interview to add, “I wanted to get this out quickly because this is one of the most important interactions I’ve ever caught on camera. I was at a student summit speaking to students. A reporter sat down who was covering the event.
Smith: When people are talking about DEI, they’re specifically talking about trying to achieve specific outcomes.
Reporter: Yes.
Smith: So you said, I don’t think it logically works.
Reporter: Okay.
Smith cut back in, “I tried to point out to her that DEI inevitably is racist. Logically. Lhere’s no way around it.”
Smith: Because I think it’s the only example of systemic racism anyone’s been able to provide to me.
Reporter: It’s not systemic racism against you.
Smith: How?
Reporter: Everyone deserves a chance to speak and a chance to kind of be out there. We are only as good as representing everyone in our nation. It’s not just White men. It’s not just rich people. We need every single voice there.
Smith: So it’d be equal opportunity, right?
Reporter: Yes.
Smith: Okay, but equity is equal outcome.
Reporter: Yes.
Smith: So it’s a different word. That’s why we have a different—
Reporter: Yes, but we should be focusing on— we should be fighting for equality and equity. Okay, it’s both sides of the coin.
Smith: But if equity is— am I misunderstanding equity?
Reporter: I don’t think you are. I think equity is leveling the playing field so then everyone can reach an equal opportunity.
Smith: Okay, so let’s run through an example. Like, how do we level the playing field? Um, I’m a firefighter, volunteer firefighter, so let’s use as an example. If there’s not enough of a specific skin color in the fire department, how do we fix that without being racist?
Reporter: It’s also just reaching out to demographics who don’t—
Smith: That’s advertising.
Reporter: It’s advertising, yes, it’s making sure those people that feel comfortable joining a group like firefighters.
Smith: So we’ll put— we have, because mentally we have this column of advertising, we’re trying to put that aside and understand equity though, because you’re advocating for DEI, right?
Reporter: Yes.
Smith: Okay, so, so can you get into the DEI portion of it beyond advertising?
Reporter: Just that like everyone is equal of a— I don’t really understand what you’re asking.
The debate went back and forth with the reporter clearly not actually understanding the DEI concepts she advocates for.
Later in the interview, Smith pushed her on the specifics of DEI.
Smith: So, do you think DEI, now we look at it through this lens, do you think pushing for equal outcomes might be a flawed process?
Reporter: I still don’t think so.
Smith cut in, “Equity means equality of outcome. No one can explain to me how you’re going to achieve that without being, by definition, racist. The only response she can offer is to change the very definition of racism.”
Reporter: I think you can debate the language and you can confuse people with how you debate the language. I just think fighting for everyone to have equal rights, equal opportunities, making sure that playing field is— equality and equity go hand in hand. You cannot have one without the other.
Smith: Okay, so the words mean specific things, and we have two different words because they mean different— it’s not like a word game, right? Can we agree on that?
Reporter: Yes.
Smith: Okay, so if they go hand in hand, but what’s— can you explain what’s the difference between equity versus equality?
Reporter: Equity is making sure that, um, so let’s say equality is just kind of giving everyone the same opportunity. Equity is everyone has the same opportunity, but you might not have access to that opportunity because of obstacles in your way. So everyone has access to apply to a job. Not everyone can— let’s take colleges. Everyone has access to apply to colleges. Not everyone can afford the application fee. Not everyone can afford a college counselor to make sure they get in. Not everyone can afford tuition, loans, etc., etc.
Smith: Socioeconomic— yes, equity is not applied on race, your socioeconomic status.
Smith notes, “You can see her face change as soon as I say ‘not applied on race.’ She’s like, ‘wait, hold up.’ To her, the important component is skin color. You can’t take that out of the equation. And this is where she starts to get upset.”
Smith: So like my students— I used to be a teacher— my students taught students that came from like nothing. And the problem with equity is that it’s only applying that socioeconomic advantage based on skin color because they’re saying this group, this ‘Cause there are groups that don’t feel represented.
Reporter: I disagree. As someone who just graduated and went through scholarship opportunities, there’s opportunities, specific scholarships for people of color, for Italians, which I am, which I don’t consider myself an oppressed class. There’s scholarships for low-income people. Every single demographic, there is a way to give a boost up for.
Smith: So I guess I’m just curi— I don’t understand why we break people down into groups based on race.
Reporter: We shouldn’t. We shouldn’t. But that’s where we always have been. The whole point of, I guess, is to level that. It’s to make it so we get to a point where that those groups don’t matter. But right now, for bad people, they matter. So we have to overcorrect it to make it an even playing field to then eventually down the year, down the line, everyone is exactly equal. No one needs an extra boost because they haven’t been disenfranchised.
Smith: This is where I run into it. And I appreciate you having this conversation. Conversation. I mean this honestly, because you just admitted that it’s a bad thing what we’re doing.
Reporter: It’s a bad thing what we were doing. I mean, previously when people weren’t hired because of their race, because of their gender, because of their sexual orientation.
Smith: I agree racism is bad, but I don’t think implementing racism to get over racism is logical.
The two continue to debate, but the reporter seemed too flustered by facing the failures of her ‘logic’ to continue.
When asked whether she could advance her arguments further, she replied, “I really don’t want to,” before ending the interview.
Smith concluded, “Keep in mind, this is an event that is designed for students to come together to have difficult conversations and disagree. If this— if I’m being too insensitive in this interaction, then what’s the point of the event?”
Watch:
Woke reporter SHUTS DOWN my Interview when I expose her as a racist.
She says it is not possible to be racist toward white people. When I show her that simple logic disproves everything she is saying, she is forced to get up & end the conversation. pic.twitter.com/MC3CaCRhzf
— Warren Smith (@WTSmith17) August 10, 2026
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